know, i want to save for my future. i want to save for retirement. and i trust that the american government's going to pay me back. so what is jamie dimon saying when he says there's going to be a crack? he's saying the government's going to go out there and say we need to borrow money. so we're selling all these treasury bills. who wants to buy? and if not enough people raise their hand and say, i do, then we've got interest rates that are soaring well beyond anything that the fed can control. >> yeah. and those interest rates again, one of those things where that you can spin it however you want. but the reality is going to out in the end i think. betsey stevenson, thanks for your time tonight. that is all in on this wednesday night. the briefing with jen psaki starts right now. good evening jen. >> hi, chris. first of all, i was reminded today of what a badass your wife kate shaw is. so that's one of my takeaways. >> and also indeed and that was that was one clip in a very long hearing with lots of exchanges with multiple us senators going at her. i thought she did an incredible job. i'm biased, but i think a lot of people agree

with me. >> incredible. no, she was incredible and badass. and no christmas card from josh hawley for you, but i guess she'll get over that. right, exactly. have a great night, chris. >> thanks, jen. >> all right. tonight, donald trump decided to basically bring back one of the most controversial policies from his first term from very early in his first term. tonight, the president announced he's banning travel from 12 countries afghanistan, burma, chad, republic of the congo, equatorial guinea, eritrea, haiti, iran, libya, somalia, sudan and yemen. he also partially restricted travel from seven more countries. and all of this is an echo of the travel ban he instituted in his first term, one that sparked understandable nationwide protests and a series of court challenges. this is also exactly the kind of provocative action we have come to expect from trump, when he wants to lash out and change the subject. we'll talk about it. but there's other

things we're going to talk about, too, because for at least the third time in his life, donald trump appears to be going through a pretty brutal and very public divorce. i mean, just a few days ago, after being just a few days after being celebrated in the oval office, i should say elon musk started using his massive social media reach to attack donald trump and the republican party in an incredibly direct terms. and not just one time wasn't a one off in dozens of separate posts. and if you're wondering why elon musk is so mad all of a sudden, a lot very mad. i think it's worth remembering why he was driven out of washington in the first place. relentless, persistent public pushback against not just the work of doge, but also the companies musk runs. people across the country came out in droves to register their anger with elon musk and his doge operation. they held big, sustained protests at tesla dealerships everywhere. you can see a bunch of them on your screen now, helping to drive down the stock

price of elon musk's company. and those protests have not let up since musk announced his exit. even that even then. just to give you a taste, this was golden valley, minnesota. the day after musk announced his exit. >> i love democracy and i love this country. >> bill henson. >> and a. >> group. >> of 150. >> or so. >> are doing what they've done. >> every saturday. >> for. the last. >> 18 weeks. >> this group. says their. >> protest outside. >> a tesla car dealership. >> a way to. >> share their frustration. >> with the federal government. >> if i can stop one person or make one person. think about not. >> buying. >> a tesla and. >> putting more money in. his pocket. >> i'm. happy to. do that. >> and while. >> many here are upset. >> with elon musk. >> they don't see his departure. >> as a reason. >> to stop. >> this is a long game. >> this is not something. elon steps away from. steps away from doge. >> doesn't matter. i'm here for the long haul. i'm not going anywhere. >> he's here for the long haul. and he's not the only one. it's also not just protests. i mean,

the numbers tell a pretty stark story for musk. since the beginning of the year, tesla stock is down more than 12% just since the beginning of the year. musk was never going to stay forever in washington. i mean, there was a time limit. limit even that. on his stint as a special government employee. but if you're wondering why elon musk has suddenly soured on washington, it might have something to do with that. in the richest man in the world has watched as companies he runs specifically tesla, have found themselves in a bit of a downward spiral. seriously, the more you dig into this whole feud, the more it seems like this is really all about musk's own financial well-being, source familiar with musk and trump's relationship tells nbc news that musk's temper tantrum essentially boils down to a few key factors one. trump's big, ugly budget bill kills electric vehicle tax credits that benefit musk's company. tesla. yes, the one whose stock has gone down by 12%. two musk is upset that trump isn't helping his other company, starlink, take over the

faa's control system. three trump has pulled the nomination of musk's friend and ally to serve as the head of nasa, a move that likely would have benefited musk's other company, spacex. those are some of the things that make him mad, and all of that has driven musk to completely lash out on his social media platform. i mean, in just the past two days on x, he has called the bill massive, outrageous, pork filled, and a disgusting abomination. he's posted multiple times saying the bill would drive america into debt slavery, and he's implored people to call their senators and members of congress to kill the bill. he even posted this promo for quentin tarantino's 2003 blockbuster kill bill. get it? i mean, i have to hand it to him. i don't always agree with him, but that's kind of creative. now. it's fallen on republican congressional leaders to basically deal with all this fallout from all of this. you may be wondering, how does someone like mike johnson, a smooth operator that he is,

handle a fight between two implacable, wealthy man children when he needs both of them to support him? well, i'm just going to show you here is mike johnson today trying to explain what exactly happened with elon musk. >> elon and i left on a great note. we were texting one another, you know, happy text. you know monday and then and then yesterday, you know 24 hours later he does a 180 and he comes out and opposed the bill. and it surprised me frankly, i tell you, i called elon last night and he didn't answer. but i hope to talk to him today. i mean, it's not you know, it's very friendly and we can and we've laughed about our differences on policy before. i'm not upset about this. we've got to get it done. and i think elon understands the weight of that and i hope he comes around. i'd love to talk to him this week and hope he calls him back today. >> oof! i mean, even the guys in back of him look awkward because it seems like elon musk is ghosting the speaker of the house, leaving one read, as the kids say these days. or that's what they tell me now, mike johnson sounds a little nervous about that. i mean, even in his

shown a little desperate. so maybe he figure i'm going to make elon jealous by talking about how often trump returns my calls. >> i've talked to i talked to president trump, you know, all the time, multiple times a day. obviously, we've talked about this. as you know, he's not he's not delighted that elon did a 180 on that. but look, i don't know what happened in 24 hours. >> i mean there is a lot to unpack there. the he's not delighted that elon did a 180 is quite a way to phrase it. and yes, the i talk to trump all the time, multiple times a day. sounds well again, kind of desperate. so maybe he figured i'm going to try flattering him a lot, while also just dissembling in front of everyone at the same time. >> let me let me just address the elon controversy and tell you that i consider elon a friend. he's obviously brilliant. i just told you, we

credit him with all the big changes with doge and everything else. it's curious to me what happened this week and i just i mean, full disclosure, elon had a great conversation about a half hour long talk on monday, and elon was encouraged by that conversation. we had a great it was a very friendly, very fruitful conversation together. and he and i talked about the midterm elections and he said, i'm going to help, okay. >> it was kind of a shaky start in the beginning, but speaker johnson did manage to land on an area of agreement between him and musk. he says musk promised him on monday that musk would help republicans win the midterms. that sounds promising for him. except then on tuesday, musk once again tweeted about congressional republicans, saying, quote, in november next year, we fire all politicians who betrayed the american people. again. that was in response to a tweet about republicans. so it doesn't actually sound like mike johnson and elon musk are on the same page about the midterms at all, does it? the truth is, the problems for speaker johnson and donald trump extend well beyond just elon musk, because every

day, more and more republicans are finding something they do not like in this big, ugly bill. and there's a lot that do not like. i mean, for instance, here is marjorie taylor greene, who voted for the bill talking last night about a provision that would ban states from regulating ai for ten years. >> that was one. >> section. that. >> was. two pages. >> that i didn't see. and i'm being. >> very transparent and. >> honest about. >> it. >> with everyone. >> but i find. >> it so. >> problematic that i'm willing. >> to come forward. >> and admit. >> that those are two. >> pages that. >> i didn't read. those were the only two pages of over a thousand. i didn't read, just those two. i don't believe it. but the point is, when you have to work a little to get marjorie taylor greene to vote for the maga agenda because she's upset about something. you know what's more of an uphill climb than maybe you plan for? if you're mike johnson, there are plenty of senators expressing their frustrations, too. i mean, here was ron johnson last night on that same program. >> you just brought up musk.

>> he called it a massively outrageous, pork filled congressional. >> spending bill, a disgusting abomination. >> those who. >> voted for it. >> you know. >> you did wrong. >> you know it's wrong. do you agree with musk? >> it doesn't. >> solve the problem. >> it doesn't. >> he's telling. >> the truth. >> you know. that's all i'm doing, too. >> we're arguing. over twigs and leaves when the forest is on fire. i won't vote for the house version. that's very clear. >> i won't. >> doubling down on musk there. i mean, look, as enjoyable as it is to watch republicans and elon musk start torturing the president over his signature legislation and each other in the process. the fact is that at the end of the day, this bill does stand a good chance of passing in some form. and here's why. i mean, republicans control both the house and the senate. and also many of these same republicans have mastered the art of clutching their pearls and complaining in public. well, then ultimately voting for things that they expressed concern about. and they may do

that here again. so how this all ends will depend less on what musk and the republican holdouts do, and much more on how the american people mobilize against the bill. here is democratic senator chris murphy making exactly that point earlier today. >> well, i mean, of course, the bill is. >> a. >> piece of, but. >> elon musk isn't trying to protect, you know, my constituents that are going to lose their health care. he's not trying to protect. >> poor children. >> who are. >> going. >> to lose their nutritional benefits. he's just trying to. >> get rich. >> ultimately, you know, we have to mobilize the entire country around how disastrous this bill is. so we've. >> got to do. >> the work of. >> making sure that. >> republicans know they're going to pay a price if they vote for something this immoral in this unpopular. senator murphy is right. i mean, elon is upset because this bill does not enrich him personally, plain and simple. there's lots of evidence to that and lots of reporting. he doesn't care that millions of americans will suffer as a

result of this big, ugly bill. and i promise i'm not being hyperbolic when i say that. i mean, just today, the nonpartisan congressional budget office released an updated report on the price that americans will pay if trump's big, ugly bill passes the senate. that price includes nearly 11 million people losing their health insurance, 11 million for no reason other than to fund trump's tax cuts for the ultra rich. and if you want a picture of what, 11 million people losing their insurance looks like, it's like if everyone living in alaska, hawaii, idaho, wyoming, nevada, west virginia, montana and north dakota all lost their health insurance. that's how many it is. americans won't just lose their health insurance. their energy bills may also go up by as much as $400 per year, according to several independent studies published this year. in a previous report, the cbo also estimated that nearly 4 million people could lose access to snap benefits, so no health insurance, higher energy bills and less access to food for low

income families. that's basically the checklist that republicans are ticking through right now. and did i also mention that the new cbo analysis says that trump's big ugly bill is projected to add $2.4 trillion? yes, trillion with a t to the national debt over the next ten years. isn't it convenient? by the way, how many of the self-proclaimed fiscal hawks immediately stop clutching their pearls about the deficit as soon as they regain power? that's what's happening here, too. setting that aside, though, it's abundantly clear that this bill is a much bigger problem for republicans than elon musk. americans will catch up to the reality, this republican agenda, and i have a funny feeling they will not like it. we're already seeing that. i mean, some people have already begun to stand up and protest against this bill. like the folks you see here. they protested outside of republican congressman nick langworthy's office in new york last week. langworthy voted for the bill in the house. he expressly supports it, and they want to let him know that for those reasons, he does not represent them. a similar protest took place yesterday in spokane,

washington. medical workers held a hands off health care protest in response to the bill. one of the protesters can be seen holding a sign that says michael grow a spine. that may be one of my favorites. the michael in question is, of course, republican congressman michael baumgartner, who also voted for the bill that passed in the house. so when the bill does pass the senate, if it passes the senate, not if, but when, really, because it will very likely pass, activism will be all the more crucial. remember, the american people basically managed to drive elon musk out of washington. now they have a chance to do the same for every republican who supports this bill. senator chris murphy is standing by and he joins me in standing by and he joins me in just 90s. ♪ limu emu and doug ♪ ♪(melancholic music)♪ looks like we've told people liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need ... for the last time. goodbye, my friend.

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a grift from top to bottom. >> so everybody. >> that's close to donald trump is close to him because they want to become rich and they want donald trump to make them rich. >> and that's. >> always been the center of this alliance between musk and donald trump, that musk is going to get government contracts. musk is going to get sort of secret, exclusive. >> access to the kind. >> of data that he needs to get advantage on his competitors. and it appears that he didn't get everything that he wanted in this bill to help his companies. and so he's throwing a temper tantrum. he's trying to burn the bill down because, you know, at least for him, the grift is not as worth it, as lucrative as it was, you know, just a couple of months ago. so you have to understand, none of this is on. >> the level. >> i mean, this. >> is all. >> about a bunch of thieves stealing from us. and when the thieves don't get the cut that they were promised, then they get angry. you know, we've seen this movie many times before. quentin tarantino has done it very well. >> the impact. >> that this has. >> i don't know.

>> i mean. >> you know, in. >> the end, this is. >> a you know, this is a one. >> boss party, donald trump. >> and so yeah, musk makes stuff difficult on them in the short run. and it certainly like, you know good for tv ratings and clicks. but i think donald trump basically tells the republican party how high to jump and they follow orders. so as you said in the opening, it's just probably true that some version of this bill passes the senate, even if elon musk is crapping on it because trump is the. >> boss. >> which is, and what we're going to about to see, and i suspect you'll agree with me on this one, is people who have expressed concern about medicaid cuts and the and the horrible impact this will have on americans somehow dial themselves back and find a way to support it. i don't want that to be the case, but i think it's important we're clear eyed about that possibility, right? >> yeah. >> i think yeah, i think that's i think that's that's right. there's often a lot of hand-wringing from senate republicans, but they tend to follow orders. that being said,

you know, we were all around in the beginning of 2017, 2018 when everybody assumed that the repeal of the affordable care act was going to pass because it was their number one agenda item. just like right now, these medicaid cuts, throwing 15 million people off their insurance is their number one agenda item. and because. we mobilized all over the country, we actually defeated that bill, not in the house but in the senate. we got just enough senators. we needed three back then. we need just one more now. four. and the harm is really no different. back then, we were talking about 20 million people losing their obamacare coverage. today, cbo just clarified that the high estimate is 16 million people. so about the same number of americans losing their health care. so i don't i haven't given up on this. i know how powerful trump is, but i think we could mobilize over the course of the next month to convince four senate republicans to either vote against this thing, or at least to demand that the medicaid cuts get rolled dramatically back. >> no question. and activism

hugely matters. that's a perfect example of it. it matters both in pressuring people, but it also matters in telling the story of the impact of things, as you were saying on the hill today, and you just launched a new pac, the american mobilization project. and one of the there's lots of interesting things about this, but one of the most interesting things to me is there are a lot of pacs out there doing all sorts of things, but yours is fundraising primarily for voter registration of young people and for groups like one that mobilizes people out there who are doing peaceful protests. i know that one of the first things groups you're supporting is one that's mobilizing doctors and nurses to support medicaid. tell me why you've decided for that to be your focus. >> yeah. >> so, you know, lots of my colleagues have these political action committees, and normally they're used to support candidates and, you know, support the, you know, individual senators travel around the country. this one is different. the money we're raising here is going straight to groups on the ground that are mobilizing. and it's going to be a big commitment. we started off with $400,000 pledged to these

youth groups that are organizing against the corruption, and then these doctors and nurses that are organizing as voices against the medicaid cuts. and we're, you know, targeting to try to spend over $2 million just on protest and mobilization. because, you know my theory, jen, we can't be preparing for the 2026 election. it might not come. all of our focus right now has to be on protecting the democracy, about stopping the corruption. and so i'm trying to sort of model something for my colleagues instead of, you know, raising money and hoarding it to spend in the next election. let's raise money and spend it right now on the streets. so, yeah, people can go to my website. chris murphy.com. you can learn more about american mobilization project. and if you choose to support it, that money is going to go straight to the ground to support the kind of protests that we're going to need. if we have any chance of stopping these medicaid cuts. >> we'll keep looking out for those protests of those doctors and nurses. i'm sure you'll share them with us, too. before i let you go, i wanted to ask you. we started the show. i

mentioned this. trump signed a new travel ban targeted at 12 different countries. the ban is going to go into effect on monday. it's a much bigger travel ban than what trump issued during his first term. i mentioned. it feels to me it's important for people to understand what it is. no doubt people will be impacted, of course, in these countries, but also an effort to distract from what's happening with this bill and elon musk and a lot of the disarray that's happening within the party and, frankly, within the white house. but but what do you make of it? >> okay. it's so important we talk about this because this is the whole game. is that the actual agenda here is to steal from us. the actual agenda is to steal from regular americans in order to pad the pockets of the rich. so what does this bill do? it actually costs money for 40% of the american public. you get poorer if you were in the bottom 40%, and the richest families get a tax cut of $270,000, okay? nobody wants that. that's super unpopular. so how do you get that done? you distract people

by making them think that they're at war with other americans, making them think that they have something to fear from people who look different from them or speak a different language. this is what demagogues have done all throughout time is to divide us from each other, make us feel like we need to be fighting ourselves while on the side they're stealing from us, either through legislation like we're debating in the senate today, or old fashioned thievery as as has also been happening in this administration as well. so yeah, understand that this is important. you know, anytime you ban people coming to the united states from other countries, it has a real impact. but it is chiefly in service of trying to get us all talking about that or talking about the biden investigation they launched today, instead of talking about the centerpiece of this story, which is this bill, to make the rich even richer at the expense of everybody else. >> i could not agree with you more. we're going to keep talking about this bill, and we're not even going to talk about all the random things that he posts, who knows, over the next couple of hours, because

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>> we've seen donald trump use executive power to go after universities like harvard law, large law firms he sees as too friendly to his political enemies and even individual people. you may remember two months ago, trump signed an executive order specifically targeting someone who spoke out during his first administration. former chief of staff at the department of homeland security myles taylor. the order called taylor treasonous and stated that he was in possible violation of the espionage act, suspended his security clearance, and directed the secretary of homeland security, in consultation with any other relevant agency heads. take all appropriate action to review

myles taylor's activities as a government employee. so that was the president of the united states issuing an executive order directing an investigation into someone because he wrote and said critical things about him. that is weaponization. but in this moment, every university, every law firm and every individual basically has a choice. are they going to bow to the unwarranted and often illegal demands, or are they going to fight back? well, myles taylor has chosen to fight back. yesterday he sent a letter to the inspector general for homeland security and the justice department requesting that they look into how their agencies have responded to trump's egregious order. joining me now is myles taylor. thank you for being here. this is incredibly courageous with what you were doing and not an easy thing, i know on you and your family. and just to restate, i know a lot of people watching have been following this and following the details of it, but to your knowledge, trump has only issued the order to threaten to criminally investigate you. you have no idea to what extent dhs or doj have acted on it. and what, if

anything, is you're being investigated for. right? >> precisely. >> and i can't think of. >> a case and. legal scholars. >> tell me they can't think of a case where. >> an individual has not. >> only been investigated for. >> first amendment. protected speech in the united. >> states. >> but doesn't know what the crime is they're. >> being investigated for. >> but i. >> want to note. >> one thing at the. >> top engine, you know, you mentioned this happened two months ago. if i was a. >> viewer. >> i. >> would say. >> why the hell did it take myles. >> taylor two months. to go push back? >> this is. >> the. >> reality of a. situation like this. it is terrifying. >> it does rock your entire personal life. and you have to think, man, do i really want to go out. >> there and fight this? >> is it worth it? but at the. >> end. >> of the day, my wife and i concluded, if we don't, it makes it. so much easier. >> for them to do this to more people and. >> people who may not have the network or the. >> support to push back against something like this. and we saw it. >> with the law firms. >> if none of those. >> law firms had. >> pushed back, then guess what? in the united states. >> the new standard.

>> would be you. >> have to cut. >> a deal with the president if you want to practice law here. but a couple. >> of brave firms. >> pushed back. >> the universities. >> that. >> are pushing back. it's really important. and so that's why it. >> took us two months. >> is to think through, okay. >> what does this mean? >> what are the implications here? >> if we cower and stay silent. >> or if we try to do something about it? >> i mean, executive orders, they were they've been used in both the administrations i worked in. the one the last one you worked in. we'll talk about one of those shortly. they're used by presidents, but they've never been used in this way to weaponize against individuals and people, as we've just been talking about. what do you think trump's end game is here? not just against individuals like yourself, but against law firms and universities. what what is he trying to get at here? >> i can. >> tell you. >> very specifically. >> because he would talk. >> about it in. >> meetings with. >> us, as he would say he. >> learned. >> in business. >> you got. >> to. >> find a way. >> to get leverage over someone, right? you don't. >> sue them, you don't threaten to sue. >> them because then they'll say, and. >> they'll ignore you. >> you sue. >> them.

>> actually, and then. they settle. >> with you whether you have a case. >> or not. that was almost verbatim what he told us on one. occasion in the oval office. that's his. >> policy now. >> not just with foreign governments, but institutions in his own country, whether it's companies. >> or. >> universities and beyond, is he wants to have leverage over them so. >> he can have control. >> and that leverage creates. >> fear, and it makes it. so much easier to go down the list. >> and not actually have to prosecute. >> the next person or the next organization because they saw what happened to the other guy. i mean. >> right now there's. >> universities in this. >> country that are watching. >> what's happening to. >> harvard. >> watching what just got announced. >> with columbia university. >> and they're saying. >> you know. >> i don't really want to end up. >> in that mix. so maybe it's not worth us getting too far forward and they start to censor themselves. that's exactly what this white house wants. >> and that's what he wants from you and people like you to not speak out, to be fearful of doing that. well, i think he wants. >> i think that's what's. really insidious. about these. >> individualized executive orders. >> of course. >> i'm biased. it's blown up my life. but this is so much bigger than miles. >> taylor, because. >> if they start doing the same.

>> thing they've done with. >> organizations to individuals. >> which is where this. >> could go. >> imagine the effects. >> if donald trump today called tim cook. >> at apple. >> and said, you know, tim, we might be putting out an investigative. >> order against. >> you, but you could prevent that if you do x, y, or z to support. my tariffs. >> or he could go to a small. >> business owner. he doesn't. >> like that, votes democratic. >> and does bundlers. >> for democrats. >> and he could have. >> a third party. >> make that same threat. there's no limit. >> to where. >> this can go if people don't come out and say this is blatantly unconstitutional. >> presidents do not have this power. >> and that's. >> why we're taking. >> the first step in that direction. but it's hard. i mean, we wouldn't have been able to do this without outside support. there's great organizations. one group launched. >> a legal defense. >> fund for us called. end presidential revenge. >> org. >> we're really lucky for that. >> people are literally crowdsourcing our defense. >> but is the 50th person on that list going to have those resources? if this happens. >> to. >> a thousand people, are they going to have those resources?

no. >> so if. >> we don't. >> stop it now, this thing will work and they'll be able. >> to swing. >> this bludgeon. against anyone the president. >> doesn't like. that's so. >> patently un-american. >> everyone won't have those resources because a lot of these law firms have have buckled. right. which is a reality, an important part of the story. you just mentioned this in the opening, but you've asked the inspector general to investigate this. do you have any belief they will? >> i don't have any. >> belief that they won't. but look, this is a. >> test that they won't. do you think they could. >> they could, they could not. and it's a test of one of the last. remaining guardrails. i mean, congress, a. >> very long time ago. >> put inspectors general into. >> the executive. >> branch for a reason to give us insight on whether agencies. >> are doing their jobs. >> whether there's. >> waste, fraud and. >> abuse, or whether they're. >> violating the constitutional rights of americans. and so they're there for. >> a reason. >> and if we find out that on such a an obviously unconstitutional order that those inspectors. >> general cannot do their jobs, are unable or unwilling to do

their. >> jobs, then another. >> light has gone out in our. >> democratic oversight system. >> and structure. >> even though he's fired 17 of them since the start. >> and that's what we're worried about. it sends a message of intimidation to those igs. >> no question. let me ask you about the travel ban. i was just speaking with senator chris murphy about this because my view is this is it's important for people to understand, obviously impacts people who are in these countries significantly. but this is what trump does. i mean, when things are falling apart and he's in kind of a duel or divorce with elon musk, his bills having some trouble, he likes to throw a big shiny other object for people to talk about. what do you think it's about and what are the dangers of it? >> i think it's part and parcel. >> of the thing. >> we just talked about. i think it's an effort to get leverage over these countries. i was there for the debate around the first travel ban. i remember when the first travel ban came out, just before i went into the trump administration. i was on capitol hill, and the order was so. obviously written in a way that was unconstitutional. we were. stunned by it. republicans on capitol hill, we thought,

this is one of the craziest things for them to put out in the beginning. they put out different iterations of it. the only reason the last iteration survived when it went up to the supreme court is because the supreme court said, well, departments and agencies did an actual intelligence based review about countries where terrorists might be trying to slip in through the immigration flows. it was very narrowly targeted at the end game, but that's not what donald trump wanted. i was there in the meetings with him, donald trump, and he talked about this privately and publicly wanted to sanction. dozens of countries with the. >> travel ban. why? >> because it would give him leverage over those. >> countries financial leverage. >> they would have to cut a deal with him if they wanted their citizens to be able to come to the united states. it's what we're seeing him do on tariffs. it's what we're seeing him do with defense spending and nato and treaties. that's another way for him to have leverage over countries. and pretty soon, if we allow that to go forward, it's just foreign policy by coercion, which is. >> not how american. >> foreign policy. >> has operated. >> miles taylor, thank you for being here. thank you for having the courage. and to your wife to, for standing up. it is not easy to do. i really appreciate

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travel ban was blocked by the courts in a week's time. the trump tried again and again with multiple subsequent travel bans, which were also adjudicated all the way up to the supreme court, where the high court ultimately gave trump the okay to enact his ban. i was just talking with miles taylor about this. now we find ourselves here again. trump has once again banned travel from a long list of countries, and while not all of them are predominantly muslim, a lot of them are. a lot of them are in africa. there are some themes here, for sure. joining me now is democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. thank you for being here with me. i was just saying to you, i love having you on always, but because i can talk to you about any topic, no matter what the breaking news is. so let me let me start. >> the. >> gamut, right. what's old is new again, in some ways. i mean, i started the show talking in depth about the bill, the big ugly bill, which we will definitely talk about, which we cannot be distracted from. but i also just want to spend a moment so people understand this too. so the travel ban is set to go into effect on at 1201 on

monday. you're very familiar on the judiciary committee. do you think there could be legal challenges that could prevent that from happening? of course there. >> will be. i remember. >> the last time. >> we had adopted kids. i remember one mom. i finally got the ambassador to make an exception for a kid that was actually coming from lebanon, and she put a little flag sweater on because she thought it might help on the airplane. and that kid is now in minnesota doing incredibly well. but this is what we're talking about here. we're talking about i looked at some of the countries. yeah, our state is thrives on refugees. we have one of the biggest hmong population. they're obviously not on the list, but we have a big liberian population. we have a big somali population. it's part of the fabric of life in our state. and as someone who leads the afghan adjustment bill, which is a bipartisan piece. >> of. >> legislation, the thought that we would just ban people, no matter what their circumstances across the board, as opposed to doing what grown up countries do, which is vet. we vet people

regardless of country, because you never know where someone's going to come in that you don't want to have come. in our country, our job is to vet them when they come from these nations, not to do across the board bans. in the case of the afghans, we still have people hiding in that country that stood with our soldiers and saved their lives. we have people here that they have not decided to protect yet who literally the best advocates are american soldiers who owe their lives to them, who were there. they were their interpreters. they gathered intel for them. their families are at great risk. i just use that example of all the countries on the list, because they sending them back or leaving them where they are, putting them in the hands of the taliban. that's what we're talking about here. so i think going after wholesale people who come in as refugees, it's a mistake for our economy. >> yeah. >> it is a mistake for our security. and it is obviously a moral, moral issue for me. >> me as well. i mean, trump

cited the recent terror attack in boulder, colorado, in a video he posted to x, and the suspect in that attack is an egyptian national. egypt is not a country listed in tonight's travel ban, which tells you i think almost everything, even his own explanation, doesn't make sense in the countries. let me ask you about i mean, there's so much in this bill that everybody's still learning about, and i call. >> it the big beautiful betrayal. >> oh, okay. >> i tried to. >> adapt the big ugly bill. >> you can do it either way. >> it is. >> it's not good. >> you experts are warning also that the real cost of trump's 50% tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum could also show up on americans grocery bills. you also participated in a forum on the harm to snap benefits. that's a big part of this bill. we talk a lot about medicaid. we've got to talk about snap, too, and the impact on americans who rely on them, but also on farmers and agricultural communities. and that's a part of it. i know you talked about today, but i think is sometimes missed from everybody's

understanding. >> it is because. >> obviously, our number one focus is on kids and veterans and seniors who rely on food assistance, sometimes for short periods of time. sometimes a mom who has a number of kids and she's trying to work, she is working, she's juggling jobs, and she qualifies and need that extra help. but there's another angle to this. our farmers are already being hit with these crazy tariffs. that means they're losing export markets. they're losing the ability for some of their inputs. and then they've been hit by things like avian flu and the like. and then to add this to it, when they actually produce a bunch of food for both snap and international aid. so that's the first thing. the second is grocery stores in rural areas. sometimes there's one grocery store in a whole county. it is the hub. they may be smaller chains like coborn's in minnesota, they may be independent, single groceries, but they have ranging from 5% to 30% to 40% of the people that use some snap benefits. this

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farmers, and then, of course, to the states that simply aren't going to be able to pay for this. >> senator klobuchar, you are so smart. but you also make me want to go to coburn. coburn. >> coburn. >> coburn. coburn. >> they have this is just an example. they started in minnesota. they've grown to dozens and dozens and dozens of stores, but they're not a national chain as much. they have stores. so these are the kinds of things that are the heart. >> of the people who will be impacted. that's correct. thank you so much for joining me. thanks, jim. appreciate it. lawrence o'donnell has a big show coming up full of news about trump and musk and the big ugly bill. he's also got the governor of new york, kathy hochul, standing by. we're back hochul, standing by. we're back after a very quick break. ♪ febreze! ♪ when it comes to my space i gotta keep things fresh and tidy. just like mama taught me. so i'm always spraying febreze fabric spray... to freshen up by fighting odors and locking them away. smells like home. ♪ lalalalala ♪ dry eyes still feel gritty, rough, or tired? with miebo, eyes can feel

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